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::: Proposition 8 = Bigotry & Hate ::: Artistic Rhetoric

If you’ve already seen this video, skip to my brief comments below.  Otherwise, watch the video first, then read my comments.  

Notice this: The substance of the argument featured in this genius media could also be used as a grounds to justify the kind of “love,” that expresses itself through what we normally call statutory rape and child molestation rather than “love.” The Bible condemns it, but then again, the Bible condemns a lot things. Since people pick and choose, choose “love” over hate. Plenty of 50 year old men “love” children under the age of 15, but we usually incriminate them as if it deserved to punished.

Because of my belief in the ultimate authority of scripture and my understanding of basic rules of hermeneutics, I cannot agree with condoning homosexuality (although excluding marriage rights, I would advocate for certain other gay rights).  

However, the rhetoric on this video is impressive.  In spite of the fact that it confuses several issues, caricatures Christians, and indicates an inexcusable unfamiliarity with biblical hermeneutics, its persuasive effect is likely powerful for those who share the common ground of ignorance about Christian beliefs, attitudes, and reasonable hermeneutics, and who wish the Bible would just mind its own business and butt out of the discussion.     

… — … –… –… … … … — … –HT: Vitamin Z


“Don’t Push Your Morality Off On Me” ::: Religious Intolerance

Passionate adherents of the world’s major religions tend to be branded as intolerant on ethical issues; as if they were the only ones “pushing” our morality off on other people.  The below conversation demonstrates that people who makes such accusations against religious people are liable for recrimination.  The excerpt comes from Relativism: Feet Firmly Planted in Mid-Air by Francis J. Beckwith and Gregory Koukl (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Books, 1998), 148-49.  

Bill was a friendly, tolerant sort, willing to talk with me about Christianity until the question of homosexuality came up.  My apparent lack of tolerance made him uncomfortable, and he said so.  “That’s what bugs me about Christians,” he said.  “You seem nice at first, but then you start getting judgmental.”  

“What’s wrong with that?” I said.  It was a leading question.  

“It’s not right to judge other people.”  

“If it’s wrong to judge people, Bill, then why are you judging me?”  This question stopped him in his tracks.  He’d been impaled on his own principle, and he knew it.  

“You’re right,” he admitted.  “I was judging you.  Kind of hard to avoid it.”  He paused a moment, scratched his head, and regrouped.  “How about this?  It’s okay to judge people, as long as you don’t force your morality on them,” he said, thinking he was on safer ground.  “That’s when you cross the line.”  

“Okay, Bill, can I ask you a question?”


“Is that your morality?”  


“Then why are you pushing your morality on me?”  Bill was getting stuck on Plantinga’s tar baby.  He tried a couple more false starts but couldn’t extract himself.  Finally in frustration he said, “This isn’t fair!”  

“Why not?” I asked.  

“I can’t find a way to say it so it sounds right.” He thought I was playing a word trick on him.  

“Bill, it doesn’t sound right because it isn’t right; it’s self-refuting,” I explained.  

At this point in the conversation some people throw up their hands and say, “Now you’ve got me confused.”  In these cases I respond, “No, you were confused when you started.  You just now realized it.”  

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